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Get_the_net
Yellow Perch
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 Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:58 am Post subject: |
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Kota was on different fish, but you can't tell me there were no 5lb + fish under the other guys. Maybe the structure oriented fish (that everyone finds) are used to seeing the Gulp and roboworm lures. Sometimes throwing something no one else has even if it is slightly different in feel, color, shape or size will make a huge difference. If you do not believe this to be true, you have not fished long enough.
So what if Rich uses the site to promote products. Justin does too. Alot of Justin's posts promote Gamma line, and Optimum baits, etc. There is still good info in the posts even if you don't use Optimum baits or Gamma line. You have a right to complain about posts laced with sponsor promos, but there is no reason to attack Rich's integrity in regards to pushing sponsors product and using something else. I would bet he uses what he promotes (minus the 450.00 rods) the majority of the time.
You listen to unsponsored successful fishermen to see what they are using. The same can be obtained from Rich, even if you don't use Jackall. Talk to him about how he fishes the different lures. The technique will likely work using another brand of lure, maybe not as well...maybe better. Is a squad minnow or pointer 9 dollars better than husky jerk? Some will say yes, others say no. Either way, we can all learn from how someone has successfully fished the lure.
I am not trying to attack you Tccok. Maybe you are not one of the jealous ones, but I will stand by my statement that alot of the bitterness toward Rich is due to jealousy.
BTW...I have only met Rich on a couple of occassions and and spoke with him a few times. Never did he try to push product on me, but he has been helpful with providing info on techniqes, etc...
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TCook
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Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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Location: benton harbor
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:37 am Post subject: |
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| im sorry I do not beleive I attacked anyones integrity here, thats just pure nonsense. Repeated promotion on forums are annoying and thats all I was saying and it seemed like something needed to be said, so I did. If someone takes that as an attack on there integrity they might be too sensitive, its just a message to chill out on the ol sales pitch nothing personal. You can label me the bad guy for it if you want, it wont bother me one bit.
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Get_the_net
Yellow Perch
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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Tcook, my post about attacking one's integrity was not directed at you. I am not labeling you as a bad guy. While you and others may think the 'sales pitch' is annoying, he has a right to do it until Justin or whoever runs this site tells him to stop and you have a right to complain. If enough people complain, I am sure justin will ask him to tone it down to avoid losing members. If you re-read the thread some of the posts go beyond complaining about the sales pitch. That is my point and the fact that the few times I have talked to Rich, he has not tried to push anything on me which seems to differ greatly from the way he was being labeled in many of the posts on this thread. Sure his posts here promote his sponsors products, but I don't get the 'sales' pitch when I talk to Rich, so my experience has differed from yours, jav1's and skeetermans.
No harm intended, just giving my experiences when speaking with Rich vs. the others presented here.
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bronzeback6
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Location: Bridgman, MI
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Other sites would delete posts like this but I'm going to let it role.... I know as a teacher/coach that it's impossible to make everyone happy but it would be nice to do so. The only way thats possible is to hear why people are upset and/or happy. That is why its good to discuss issues and learn how people feel....Civily...
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Squad Minnow
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Joined: 22 Mar 2007
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Location: St. Joseph, Michigan
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 4:28 am Post subject: |
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Mike,
Thanks for your comments earlier as you and I both know it is funny when all the guys that are complaining are on top of the leader board at all the tournaments. (I agree it is some jeliously)
Hmmmm. I do not see Justin complaining (Maybe he is using the Flick Shake???????????)
What about John Jr.........(Maybe he is using the Flick Shake, or the secret bait that he called me about......sorry I missed your call today Jr. I was in a business meeting but I am going to have J.P. bring up some of them for you.) and yes they are Jackall Baits.
I think some of those that are complaining might want to listen and understand that if your not throwing the Jackall Flick Shake right now your missing out on the latest craze from Japan..... and if you think that the Jackall Cross Tail Shad (crazy ninja worm) is not an awesome bait then you do not know about Kota to much as he has had this bait in Japan for over 6 years and has used it secretly and did not want to let it out.
And yes Kota is an awesome angler but do you not recall at the Falcon Lake tournament earlier this year where he had Jackall Fly over 8 prototype swimbaits that he said was the key to making it into the top.
Tcook, 1Jav and Skeeterman, I know you guys think I make all sorts of money supporting my sponsors and you can keep that belief as long as you want. 1Jav brought up the deal with Kaenon that allowed you to purchase them for 40% off retail that I was promoting (here is the deal so you can really think of it this way - Kaenon allows me to purchase the glasses for 40% off and I can sell them at any cost and they recommended 20% off and that would allow me to make a 20% profit, but instead of trying to make any money off of them I passed the full 40% off to all of the guys I fish with. I assume you did not know this???) so actually I was saving anglers $65 on a pair of glasses that everyone that I know that has them tells me that they are the best. So the choice to read my post is up to you. And if you do not believe what I write about the baits like I said earlier "do not buy them" but I will tell you this the guys cashing your checks at the tournaments are using them......... |
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1javelin
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:29 am Post subject: |
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Okay, some clarification, and then I am done posting on this topic, period. I am not jealous of anyone.  I can accomplish anything I set my mind to and put enough time in to. Period. You have done what it takes to get yourself to the level you are at, and I congratulate you. I don't think I ever called you out in any way, or tried to put you down in a jealous fashion. That is simply misunderstanding my play on words in my opinion. I do not find myself envious of anyone or anything, except the lack of funds and time to put into the things that matter most to me. You have nothing to do with that, so I would hold you accountable in any way, or put any of the blame or 'envy of my circumstances on you. I do not hate Jackall, have never used it. I did buy some flick shakes this week to try later, which I had told Justin I was going to do because before this whole Flick Shake thing on here started last year, I had already done enough research to convince myself it was going to be a big deal for me. I put that off because I don't like the iea of throwing the same bait as half of my competition. Now I am convinced I am going to play with them anyways. And even though I made some pretty sharp comments towarss your credibility, I am not meaning that to attack your integrity. I do not know you that well, just the few times I have seen you and talked to you by phone. I do not hold you in high regards based on some of those conversations and some of the things I have seen, heard, or read since then, but I have very high standards when it comes to others and the things they say and do. I refused to even look at this site for several months because I was upset with some of the things Justin had said or done. It took me a long time to realize I was just as much in the wrong as he may have been, and have since reconciled my differences. But, I find trusting people too easy, until they do something that places them in the grey area, and then good luck getting back on my good side. I never put you in the black, never attacked your integrity openly, and never claimed to be remotely jealous of you or anyone. I would say it if it was. SO with that said, anyone that thinks dofferently of what I said or how I said it can pucker up, because I am who I am. You are who you are. Let's leave it at that, someone else can get the last word. Get-the-net, you're way off line bud, because if I think it, I can say it. Please don't misinterpret my thoughts or my words. Justin, thanks for letting it go like this and sorry if this is out of line. I needed to say my piece since everyone is now aiming misconceptions at me. 
1Jav
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1javelin
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| fishman01 wrote: | | You fishing Justin's tournies Jav and T? |
Yeah, we'll be there. Nice and close and some good water when you find them.
1Jav
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TCook
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Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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Location: benton harbor
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Rich, I will ask again how many wins or high finishes do you personaly have on your resume that your sponsers products played a factor in the last couple years? Did you skip those posts or just not want to respond? To me this would be the most important selling point to your market and would prove you are genuine and not just a salesman. A tournament fisherman selling product must have success with it in order to sell me or anyone else with commen sense. As far as I am concerned justin and john are just great fishermen and thats why they are successful not because of the brand name they use.
Oh ya and that was a heck of a deal on the kaenons you offered us but I found a brand new pair of copper kore"s on ebay last year for $45 shipped so I was all set, good looking out though.
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skeeterman190
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Ok this is getting really out of hand huh?? Im not jealous of the guy @ all. More power to him, hes got a good deal and thats awesome. As far as some of the other thing that were posted i do have some comments. First of all youll never tell me that it was the bait that KOTA used that caught all those fish on Erie he was onto something that no one else has ever tapped into out there. Next, yeah Justin does promote his sponsors and so do I. (Ill tell you right now one of my sponsors is big into stik baits and i love them, Ive even got my own color but i didnt touch a fish with one of them today, I keyed on the baitfish colors around the docks i was fishing and it was a BASSPRO STIK that got me 15 today.) But he also gives out information on what HE did not the other guys. Hes a first class guy and im glad theres more of us like that out there. Plus he backs it up @ the weigh -in I hope he caught his fish on Jackall today(PAWPAW) they'd be lucky to have a guy like that on there pro staff. TCOOK and 1JAV are also not jealous those guys are becoming some local stiks and even farther then that, look at the BFL standings for cos Tim Cooks in 6th place. Thats a huge sucess. Thats the toughest place to be(backseat) and he always catches them. Trust me hes been in the back of my boat enough I know! Yes Your right im complaining and im never on fish. Never even been close to the top. I need jackall.(this next coment is no pun intended toward u Justin trust me, awesome job, this is why its fishing not catching..) PawPaw was sick today and 18lbs wouldve been 2nd by atleast 2lbs. I weighed 15 and had a 14 1/8 fish in my bag! Lost one @ the side of the boat, that was 5+ and didnt get a good hook in another 4+. so you do the math. i did everytime i put another 3 pounder in the well i thought about it!!!-skeeterman-  all the way to the bank |
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Get_the_net
Yellow Perch
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:25 am Post subject: |
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| 1javelin wrote: | And even though I made some pretty sharp comments towarss your credibility, I am not meaning that to attack your integrity. I do not know you that well, just the few times I have seen you and talked to you by phone. I do not hold you in high regards based on some of those conversations and some of the things I have seen, heard, or read since then, but I have very high standards when it comes to others and the things they say and do. SO with that said, anyone that thinks dofferently of what I said or how I said it can pucker up, because I am who I am. You are who you are. Let's leave it at that. Get-the-net, you're way off line bud, because if I think it, I can say it. Please don't misinterpret my thoughts or my words.
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1Jav, I did not misinterpret or misrepresent anything you said. You just made my point in the quote above when you admitted you made sharp comments about Squads credibility, but did not mean to attack his integrity. How is that possible?? If you are trrashing his credibility, you ARE attacking his integrity. You are correct that if you think it, you can say it, and you did. That is fine, but if you are going to say it, don't get bent out of shape if someone calls you on it. I called you out on it not because I wanted to raise hell on the forum and make enimies of people I don't know, but simply because my experience with Squad has been far different than how he was being presented by several of the posts on here and I thought those reading desevered to hear another perspective. Lets leave it at that.
Skeeterman190, Kota gambled big time and was rewarded. 9 times out of 10 on erie his gamble would not have worked because he would not have been able to get there and back all 4 days or that bait would have moved taking the fish with thiem. He got lucky that he was able to get there and back and that the bait holding the fish were still in the area each day. Was the bait a factor in the bigger fish? We will never know since no one else was fishing those same fish with a different lure. However, matching the forage (like you admitted you did on pawpaw today) is always a good bet and that is what Kota did with the Cross tail shad. Would another shad imitator work? Maybe.....maybe not. Do you not believe that KVD's sexy shad colored crankbaits and red eye shad lures made a difference in getting more and better bites than the lures others were throwing in the same areas? Many times it is the SPECIFIC lure (brand and color) that makes the difference. You don't want to believe it was the lure for Kota, and I don't know if it was the lure or not. But the facts are, that IS the lure that put 96lbs of SM in his boat over 4 days.
I have no beef with 1jav, tcook, or skeeterman. In fact congrats on the huge bags at pawpaw today. Those are some pretty hefty sacks for a lake around here in a 30 boat event.
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Squad Minnow
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I congrad everyone at PawPaw today as we only had 12 1/2 lbs and we never had any fish that were hooked and lost, the fact is we caught 7 keepers all day long and 2 were on a Flick Shake, the others I will not mention what they came on. I had the priviledge of fishing with one of the best fisherman in the area and to that effect we had a great time and had more fun fishing than catching even though catching would have even been better. Justin is always on good fish at Paw Paw as he continues his domination but eventually guys are going to fish his spots because they see him there rather than doing the homework on the water.
No to anwser Tims question, I have only been with Jackall for 2 years and I personally do not fish anything big now days. As a matter of fact I only have fished 8 tournaments this year and been on the water 15 times so you can do the math. But I can still crack them around here on all the stuff that I mention. |
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bronzeback6
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:40 am Post subject: |
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THis was a very polite way to end this post I'm proud of everyone....
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